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taxes. if the goal is to reduce the deficit, their goal of cutting taxes is not relevant to that goal so there's no overlap of potential agreement here. that's why there's no deal. >> let's take a listen to a very conservative retiring senator said, soon to be former senator joe lieberman, who is respected and seen as a deal maker. what we need right now is a deal. let's take a listen to something he just said. >> if we allow that to happen, it will be the most colossal, consequential act of congressional irresponsibility in a long time, maybe ever in american history. >> joy, i think what he's saying there and going over the cliff is not that this would be the worst thing congress has done on an objective scale, but the notion of doing something so bad for no reason is pretty frustrating, isn't it? >> i disagree with his characterization it would be the most irresponsible thing. i think messing around with not raising the debt ceiling and risking the default on the american debt was probably the most irresponsible thing we've seen this congress do, but the thing we need to remember, thi
, the thing we're trying to avoid, the actual danger to the economy, is that we will get too much deficit reduction too quickly. if reducing the deficit was what the economy needed we could go right off the cliff and leave it there. you can see it in this graph, that line going down. that is the fiscal cliff, we went over our deficit problems, gone baby, totally, totally gone. one thing the fear of the fiscal cliff shows by the way, in the fox hole, everyone's a kinsian. everyone agrees. that is number one. too much austerity way too quickly. president obama is not asking for that much in taxes. it's worth getting a bit of perspective in here. you'll be shocked to know, we got a graph for that. here's what happens if we go over the cliff. you get more than $5 trillion in tax increases off the bat. and now here's what happens if we pass the sainted simpson bowles plan. you've heard of the plan. they have 2.6 trillion in tax increases. president obama's latest offer to john boehner has 1.2 trillion in taxes. that is half as much, less than half than simpson bowles, and less than a quarter o
't seen the deficit reduction that we could have had, the republicans willing to take a deal that i give them. if they say that people's taxes have gone up, which means consumer spending is depressed, then it's going to have an adverse reaction in the markets. >> there was much more to what the president had to say. listen to what he had to say on deficits and spending. >> you are not only going to cut your way to prosperity. one of the fallacies, i think, that has been promoted is this notion that deficit reduction is only a matter of cutting programs that are really important to seniors, students and so forth. that has to be part of the mix. but, what i ran on and what the american people elected me to do is put forward a balances approached. >> i want you to listen to something else. the president spoke about the tragedy in newtown, connecticut. he described it in a way he's not quite done so publicly before. listen to this. >> this is something that, you know, that was the worst day of my presidency. it's not something that i want to see repeated. >> it hit close to home? >> absolute
." christmas should be a day of joy and celebration and recent tragic events gave this year's holiday a deficit feeling. >> reporter: in newtown, connecticut, it was a day of lingering heartache. empty stockings hung as reminders of loss filled with gifts. first responders from surrounding communities gave their time so surrounding police could spend the time with their families. >> this is why we're here. something needs to be done. glad we can be here. >> a pleasure to help them out. >> police officers giving police officers time off, you couldn't ask for a better christmas gift. >> reporter: in the new york airy, where hundreds are still without homes because of hurricane sandy, volunteers tried to deliver some holiday spirit. >> every table is labelled. >> reporter: handing out food, toys and blankets at relief centers. >> it's important people come out and help people. you can't put a price on that or buy that either. >> reporter: in places spared direct tragedy americans marked the day in their own ways while keeping those less fortunate in their thoughts. >> when people are suffering and
economy two to three, four years. no deal is only shot we have. we need cuts and deal with the deficit. you have can't do this in a way to do in a sudden flash. >> juan -- >> juan: hold on. excuse me. do you think republicans have no complicity in passing two wars without funding them? and passing prescription drugs, no funding -- >> andrea: last time i checked a majority of democrats voted if for war. >> juan: republicans voted for this as well is all my point. >> andrea: entitlement, they're not miles apart? >> juan: they're not. >> andrea: what is the plan. >> juan: put on the table change the cpi and change the rate of growth. >> what table? >> eric: slow the rate of growth is not a cut. >> juan: it is. >> eric: it's not. >> juan: even boehner says it's a cut. the left thinks it's a cut. secondly, the president has -- go up to 400 if you want. so what we are talking about is a cut for 99% of americans. they keep tax cuts. you think republicans would celebrate. >> drinking the kool-aid. >> eric: i agree with you that the republicans are no better in this debate. >> juan: oh, well th
nothing on entitlement reform, it doesn't come close to reducing the deficit, much less the $16 trillion debt, soon-to-be $18 trillion debt. so i'm not going to vote for a pan sea. i'm not going to go around washington and hope the editorial boards are happy and pat each other on the back. your viewers ought to demand a solution. and what we are going to do in the next week is a deal. and they deserve better than a deal. >> you know what is disconcerting, the millions of americans that can't afford to go on vacation that are worried about their tack pass and finances and how to feed their family and how to write those checks for the bills that they know are coming. and yet then you have members of congress and such going on vacation, even the president himself. we would all like to go to hawaii but honestly it was very upsetting. so many people i talked to over the holidays they are saying what are they doing? they should be sitting there doing the tough work we pay them to do, representing us in their various districts and states. >> the optics are terrible, but here's the reality, kimb
an obligation of the american people to make sure that the entire burden of deficit reduction doesn't fall on seniors who are relying on medicare. >> now, what the president s correct about s that in the negotiations with speaker boehner in recent weeks the president was giving on social security and med did i kay changes that democrats were not excited about but speaker benito walked away -- but speaker boehner walked away from those negotiations. senator mitch mcconnell said in the last couple of days when got a phone call from the president saying let's try to come back to the table and work this out. mcconnell said that is the first time he heard from the president, senator harry reid or any of the tomorrow democrats in about a month. in terms of presidential leadership there had not been that give and take in a month. >> that is astounding as you point out for more than a point. republicans concerned about the impact of the pentagon budget if this goes through. >> when people talk about the fiscal cliff most of the attention is about taxes going up and that being the so called fiscal
, we still have this bigger challenge out there of how are we going to fix the deficit and debt problem in this country? we know we have to make hard choices. we know the parties have to work together, and they've got to get to work on this as quickly as possible. >> maya, with the greatest of respect, it seems to me your logic is all over the place. it's very clear the nub of the discussion, the squealing that we have at the moment is whether or not to extend tax cuts. that is, in effect, saying we are going to balloon the deficit further. this is not a conversation about actually fixing the debt, is it? that's not what we're talking about at the moment. we're squealing over, let's keep the deficit big. you seem to be arguing that that's exactly what we should be doing. >> let me explain, because it is more complicated than often things are discussed in washington. the problem with the fiscal cliff is it would put in place deficit reduction, but it would put in deficit reduction too much, too quickly, and with the wrong parts of the budget. so it would let all of the tax cuts expire, i
cliff really mean for us? you know, any deal will likely not address the deficit. so what we can expect from lawmakers, after the deadline is over. we will take a look at that. >> heather: a few more arguments. russian president vladimir putin is putting adoptions on hold for american families, like this boy, four years old. his future is on hoild because the president of russia says so. what his american abts adoptive parents have to say to putin. i have a cold, and i took nyquil, but i'm still stubbed up. [ male announcer ] truth is, nyquil doesn't unstuff your nose. what? [ male announcer ] alka-seltzer plus liquid gels speeds relief to your worst cold symptoms plus has a decongestant for your stuffy nose. thanks. that's the cold truth! mine was earned off vietnam in 1968. over the south pacific in 1943. i got mine in iraq, 2003. usaa auto insurance is often handed down from generation to generation. because offers a superior level of protection, and because usaa's commitment to serve the military, veterans and their families is without equal. begin your legacy, get an auto insuranc
at the deficit of this year and looking at deficit of that size as far as the eye can see and not how to put together a minor package as chuck was talking about. this is the larger deal. the problem you have, obviously, not much time so i think you're likely to see a two-step process here. dealing with the immediate dynamics to, in fact, set up a situation to deal with the larger situation. but ultimately, here, the other element to occur is this is a real negotiating process. i have to say i was disappointed in the president when he used this line, when the speaker said to him, hey, i'm giving you $800 billion. what do i zbhet the president's response was nothing. the white house has to come up with -- >> the response of the white house is times is different. 2011 is 2011. doesn't speaker boehner get less out of a smaller deal? >> no, no. i think he wants a larger deal and going back to august of 2011, they were -- they got very close to the large deal. richard, pushing back in terms of a little bit in terms, look, this is a negotiating process. one side can't say you get nothing after you
for the country is economic growth and reducing unemployment versus 19% for reducing the federal budget deficit. tax reform and to end the washington gridlock is also on the wish list, michelle. >> mine, too. >> thanks, hampton. >>> once again, the big story tonight, no fiscal cliff deal and not even a new offer from the white house. three days to go. president obama asked the senate leaders to try to make a deal. we'll get more on all of it from washington next. so, this board gives me rates for progressive direct and other car insurance companies? yes. but you're progressive, and they're them. yes. but they're here. yes. are you...? there? yes. no. are you them? i'm me. but those rates are for... them. so them are here. yes! you want to run through it again? no, i'm good. you got it? yes. rates for us and them -- now that's progressive. call or click today. ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] everyone deserves the gift of all day pain relief. this season, discover aleve. all day pain relief with just two pills. >>> welcome back to "the kudlow report." i'm michelle caruso-cabrera in for larry ku
yes. the helicopter has to get off the platform since the election, solving or debt and deficit problem knows that you can't cole of our debt problem before it is not faeblible. >> the president arrived at 3310:00 am and made calls to the house and senate leadership as the negotiations continued. do you sense, sir, there is a period of compromise, where nobody was talking and everybody was holding the ground firmly? do you have a greater sense of comp moise as we into -- the speaker said the president didn't next any dale or the compromise so i ge he'll take that up in the shat, hopefully vote for it. >> part part of the problem last week was the conservative wing of the party that i put you in for plan "b," and it was seening a something of a mutiny against john boehner at that point. so i'ming what is do you feel the support think of wing of the part is rhettest to president the measure? >> the this the has to stop a theso threat at the first motion of a pours bill and there were members in the house unwilling to vote on a bill that the president said he's going to veto. the h
, will not be the so- called grand bargain with trillions of dollars of deficit lionction. in fact, jeff, it's not even clear this deal-- again, if there is one-- would stop the across-the-board spending cuts ulr the defense department and peher government programs. it looks like those cuts will go forward. what the president said today is 24 hours from now the senate leaders have to have a plan that deals with income taxes at a rate to be determined later, the threshold of that income-- and some federal benefit. and if they don't reach a deal, he will have his own plan "b." >> if we don't see an agreement hetween the two leaders in the senate, i expect a bill to go on the floor, and i've asked senator reid to do this, put a eill on the floor that makes tare that taxes on middle class families don't go up, that unemployment insurance is still ploylable for two million people, and that lays the dioundwork then for additional deficit reduction and economic growth steps that we can take in ane new year. but let's not miss this deadline. neat's bare minimum that we should be able to get done. >> reporter:
congress is on pluto and we're all on earth. they say they want deficit reduction. if you go over the cliff, you get deficit reduction, you just don't get it in the responsible, accountable way. it's like chopping off on arm. >> like says i want a shower, i'm going to niagra falls. >> they still can't get it done. we're dysfunctional. no other explanation. >> i think they can stop the roller coaster and make it go. they're doing a dance now because republicans don't want to do something to rates. obama wants to play hardball. but i think they'll have a different argument later in the year. >> i guess both believe it's better to go over the falls than cut a deal that's going to hurt them at home. tea party people don't respond to boehner or to cantor or mccarthy or any of them. somebody in the next tea party is going to be yelling from the back, you sold us out. i think that's why the tea party is never going to be functional. they don't really respond to getting things done. they respond to anger back home. >> i think 2014 democrats are also aware of these tax increases. they don't want to
. it ought to be about reducing the deficit and the debt, and what they are essentially suggesting is we want new taxes. we want higher taxes on people in this country to pay for new spending. >> so what happens next? with us nbc news capitol hill correspondent mike vic rah and nbc news white house correspondent kristen welker. mike, let's get started with you. what's happening right now in the senate. i understand there's an update on the chained cpi. >> reporter: they say the darkest hour right before the dawn, melissa. everybody ought to hope that's true, at least if you don't want to see your taxes go up on midnight on monday and tuesday night because everything seems to be at a standstill right now. let's review the bidding. here it is from a republican source here on the republican side of capitol hill. all day yesterday they were trading proposals back and forth. by his count two democratic offers came back to republicans and four came back from republicans to democrats. the last one being at 7:00 last night, and, boom, after that, things pretty much came to a standsti standstill. no o
-class families that are already facing a real financial panic. >> warren buffett could pay off the deficit he wanted to. but it is to be that a deal will happen after january 1. does that make any difference? >> yes, it does. i think some of all this panic is a little bit overwrought. if they don't reach a deal in the next 22 hours or so, then we go into january, and the stakes get so much higher. as you said, people will start feeling immediately the effect of those higher taxes. and that will put the pressure on the congress and president reach a deal. if they don't reach a deal on december 31, which is my prediction, i believe sometime before the end of january, they will reach a deal. but my goodness. one of the things that is frustrating is we have known this day was coming for the last two years. yet here we are, 72 hours away and we don't have a resolution. gregg: this is a contrivance that they are desperately trying to fix. our member the president said in a debate, the debate, he said that i didn't come up with this. then bob woodward came out and said, yes, you did. you know, both
, the fact we've had four straight years of trillion dollars plus deficits, when the president says he wants to raise taxes on those $250,000 or above, that only generates $850 billion over the next ten years. we have had 1.422, 1.29 and on the way to another trillion dollars deficit for these years. what the president is proposing is not pragmatic whatsoever and really is a reflection of him i suppose living in a fantasy world. >> what do you think the deal that speaker boehner offered the president? >> well, i was against the plan b because i don't see this as being a tax revenue increase issue. most important is spending. we could georgia back -- go back to the simpson bowles commission. the most important thing, we have to deal with spending. we live in an america where the federal government now is spending 25% of our gross domestic product. when you study the obama budget that would increase to 32%. that's where the problem has to i am emanate from. the spending side of our budget is 62% of what we spend money on. it's not just about defense or discretionary. >> is there any indication
program run a billion deficit in 2012 . as the program brought in over 725 billion in cash and spent more than it earned it is costing 773 billion. >> julia: and you are surprised. benefits reached over 8 million and 820,000 in increase in november . so something shady is going on here. >> you used the word shady . i think that is a pretty good word to use. definition of who is disabled is expanded over the yearrs and recently, as you have a massive rise in unemployment and work force clinking and clearly some people are taking the disability option as opposed to staying in the work force. you can call it shady or financially unfortunate but it is happening. we never had as many people on disability ever before. >> clayton: republicans have a look at entitlement programs and we are trying to reign in the excessive spending. >> there are no serious cuts from president obama. there is serious effort at reforming. medicare and medicare. a lot of people don't say social security is enment. it is an insurance program. but it is enormous amount of money flowing out than in and it is getting wor
's the longer term federal deficit and then the shorter term impact on the economy. we'll have that first, right? the markets will go down and economic confidence will continue to slide. money will be taken out of the economy. so there's an economic impact right now. why should they deal with this crisis when the bigger crisis they couldn't come together tlen. sorry starbucks. they didn't come together before either. what do you do about deficits? the truth is doing nothing at this point is the best impact they can have on deficits, because taxes will go up, spending will go down. that's the point of this deal. so to come to your point, yeah, i guess they could suddenly hug each other and do had this dance, but the reality is there are a lot of people who think, what we are dealing with is deficits because the budget looks better and we'll deal with the economy some other way. >> doing nothing is what they do best. mike, before we let you go, ed mackey malden running for the united states senate in massachusetts. >> he's never run statewide. do you agree with this? i think scott brown is smiling
house released includes this paragraph. seek a bald approach for bringing down the deficit with $3 in cuts for every one dollars in tax reform that contributes to deficit reduction. they said this is consistent with the bipartisan commission approach. yes, he did say that and, yes, we don't have that and, yes, we are approaching this deadline. >> how do you negotiate with someone who said during the campaign over and over three dollars in cuts for are one dollar in revenue and now neither side is going to get everything that they want. but the house republicans have said okay, we'll find $800 billion in revenue but give us the $2.4 trillion in it cuts and he has not been willing to do that. so the last ditch effort the hail hary pass was the house of representatives saying fine let's take nancy pelosi and chuck schumer's bill that they proposed thi summer to extend the tax rates on every household and every small business a million dollars and below, allow them to go up on the million dollars and above which is the current law on january 1, let's do that. that ought to be something
to the larger issue of debt and deficits. the treasury can move money around in certain ways to extend the point where we actually reach a crisis for probably a couple of months. but this is an early warning sign. secondly, republicans in the house sent word to democrats in the senate, white house, it is your turn now. we acted to put off the fiscal cliff several months ago with a bill that without objection tend all of those bush tax rates into the future and would turn off the sequester by switching defense cuts over to domestic programs. democrats, of course have no intention of doing that. especially after president obama won the election. senate democratic leadership aide tells me that will remains a 50/50 chance we will get a mini deal temporary extension of tax cuts under $250,000 before the january 1 deadline when we would go over the cliff. will are no assurances of that. a white house official told me as president obama prepares to fly back to conduct and participate in the negotiations at the end, there has been no progress over the holiday weekend. michelle, i'm afraid that people wh
important to step back and see the fact that we have already -- there are three poorts parts of this deficit reduction stool. we've already in the past two years passed $1.6 trillion in spending cuts. we've passed over $700 billion in savings in medicare through reforms like cutting back on overpayments to insurance companies. the one piece of this puzzle that we've not been able to get any support for is making sure that the wealthiest among us help solve this problem by being willing to pay a little bit more to be part of the solution. so we have sent a bill to the house back in july, bipartisan bill that says what -- everybody says they don't want middle-class families to have their taxes go up, well, fine. why don't we start with something we can agree on, which is that? and just pass that. why doesn't the house just pass that? but as we know, the speaker couldn't even pass his own plan to say that up to a million dollars was exempt from tax cuts. so what they're doing is holding middle-class families hostage right now, trying to find some maneuver where the wealthiest people continue to
during graham/rudman and i remember when they couldn't get deficit conversations right, treasuries went down and stocks went down. oh, would i love to get back to that type of reality. >> yeah. but you had a different guy at the federal reserve at the time. >> yeah, a different guy, you know, in hindsight he was maybe the monetizer in charge -- in chief, and we get a little historical perspective on that, but as many things that i disagree with alan greenspan on, i thought he was at least more forthright into what he was doing, and even going after the government per se a bit when there were tax issues, all av d avoided by the current chairman ben bernanke, and even though he avoids the conversation, he doesn't avoid giving congress the biggest fire hose in the world filled with free water. >> i love those kind of fire hoses on every corner, please. >> what's that, david? >> bernanke is the most aggressive fed governor we will ever know in the last 40 or 50 years with the monetary stimulation that began in november 2008. >> well her, needed to be? >> and that's likely to still be the o
't love raising taxes. the facts is, if you're serious about this debt, if you're serious about deficit reduction, we have to be able to both get some new revenue. asking millionaires to pay a little bit more in marginal rates. we have to get serious about how we're going to do spending cuts in the right way. republicans have said department of defense shouldn't be on the table. we shouldn't demand more of the 50 seat accountability from across government. we are putting spending cuts on the table and investing for economic growth on the table. we need to stop having a discussion about who the bad guy is and start getting serious about getting this done. >> good luck on sunday night. we're all looking forward to seeing what you guys get done on sunday night when you're back in session. it's good to have you on. we have a market flash. >>> michelle, want to take a check on the share of facebook today. reversing some of the losses on reports that ichb stay gram had lost 25% of its users since it changed its service. the data came from a firm called app data. doing a bit of a deeper dive s
would say copper. i think it has a tremendous potential. we have a production deficit. i think future demand underestimated at this point. particularly in the second half of the year, could be a big winner. >> that would suggest a global growth play. >> it would improve growth, not necessarily explosive growth, but it would express china, for example, the rest of asia. >> favorite commodity in the agricultures? >> i would say corn. there's a battle for the acreage going on between corn, soy beans, cotton. they are all grown in the same area. the demand for corn from both an ethanol standpoint and also from a food calorie standpoint is going to be huge. potential sleeper, copper, because it's the least favored on a price basis so they're not going to be planning much. we could -- >> copper? >> cotton. >> i thought you said copper. >> i might have. >> planting copper, you've got me there, baby. >> they could be a substantial decline in cotton acreage. >> simon? >> can we just take you back to copper. we had a mention of this earlier in the show. the fact that you have these two physical
doing nothing to curb spending or address the long-term deficit crisis. if they fail to pass a mini-deal, virtually everybody's income taxes will go up. and even if the income tax cuts are extended virtually all workers are due to see less in their paychecks, starting in january, when the temporary 2% payroll tax cut is set to expire. and don't assume there will be a mini-deal, a democratic source close to the meetings going on tonight, says, quote, the prospects are not too promising they'll get to a bipartisan agreement to prevent everyone's taxes from going up. david? >> our chief white house correspondent jon karl. of course, this waiting game is already affecting americans' 401(k)s. the stock market, five straight day of losses. let's bring in bianna golodryga. bianna, great to see you. if these lawmakers thought that waiting to the 11th hour wouldn't have an effect, look no further than the stock market. >> take a look at what happened just the few days. the dow lost 158 points. for the week, down 252 points. david, these aren't just money we're talking about, it's real money.
on deficit reduction. if they can agree by monday at midnight, the following cut take effects. over the next nine years, the u.s. defense budget would be reduced by $455 billion. domestic programs would be slashed by 464 billion. 1,000 government programs face potential cuts, including three that directly impact air travel. john bentley has the story. >> reporter: long waits at airport security are nothing new. but if the u.s. government goes over the fiscal cliff, they could get even longer. according to one congressional analysis, the transportation security administration would lose more than $640 million in funding, roughly 7% of out budget. t.s.a. with would also lose over 7,000 security officers. safety would not be compromised. the passenger misery would increase. >> it could be a severe impact on the traveling public. instead of maybe one hour, you may be there two or three hours before. >> reporter: long lines would be the least of the problems. under the mandatory cuts of the fiscal cliff, the federal aviation administration would lose $800 million, and more than 2,000 air traffic
the ground work for future progress on more economic growth and deficit reduction. >> republicans say they want a deal as well, but they highlighted their biggest sticking points today in their weekly address. listen now to missouri senator roy blount. >> senate democrats have spent months drawing partisan lines in the sand. the president's proposal to raise tax on the top 2% of americans won't even pay one-third of the annual interest that's now owed on this massive $16 trillion debt. in fact, the president's tax hike would only fund the government for eight days. >> the senate is set to reconvene sunday at 1:00 eastern time. the house expected to be in session sunday. are going to start around 2:00 with the first votes coming around 6:30 p.m. let's head on over to the white house. kristen welker standing by. a lot happening in washington, d.c. a lot happening i would assume at the white house. but how engaged is the presidented to in moving this thing forward? >> reporter: good afternoon, t.j. i am told there are conversations going on at the staff level. as you know, he met with co
or address the long-term deficit crisis. if they fail to pass a mini-deal, almost everyone's income taxes will go up. even if the income taxes are extended virtually all workers are due to see less in their paycheck as the temporary tax increase is set to inspire. the prospects are quote not too promising they'll get to a bipartisan agreement to prevent everyone's taxes from going up. david? >> our chief white house correspondent jon karl. this waiting game is already affecting americans' 401 cans. the stock market, five straight losses. let's bring in bianna golodryga. >> take a look at what happened just the few days. the dow lost 158 points. for the week, down 252 points. david, it's real money. lost 3,000, $4,000. december is traditionally a good month for the markets. >> and for home sales. here's what the president had to say about that. >> america wonder why it is, in this town for some reason, you can't get stuff done in an organized timetable. why everything has to wait until the last minute. we're now at the last minute. the economy is growing. the housing market is recovering.
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out of deficit over ten years, isn't that what we really have to do? it seems to me i would really be interested in investing in american equities if i knew the financial situation was under hold >> you say the ends justify the means, no matter how painful? >> it doesn't matter how painful it is and it will be a short shallow recession if we go into it. if we kick the can down the road as so many of you are saying we hope would happen. that's not what should happen for the long-term future of the country. >> you're saying, come on, folks, let's settle. it won't be that big of a deal. right? >> i do disagree with howard a little bit in that i don't think cutting $7.3 trillion, the way this deal says that we should, is the best way to -- to deal with our long-term budget issues. kind of like, you know, you know you have to lose weight so you starve yourself as opposed to some sort of pragmatic balance of, you know, diet and exercise and this deal doesn't get you to the pragmatic part. the flip side, one, cbo projections about future outcomes are based on things being equal and i woul
insurance for americans looking for a job and lays the ground work for more economic growth and deficit reduction. >> the president is optimistic that a deal can be reached midnight on new year's eve. listen to senate minority leader mitch mcconnell. >> we had a good meeting down at the white house. engaged in discussions in the hopes we can come forward as early as sunday and have a recommendation that i can make to my conference and the majority leader can make to his conference. >> and the senate is set to reconvene sunday at 1:00 eastern time. the house also expected to be in session on sunday. they'll start at 2:00 eastern time with the first votes coming at 6:30. let's head up to capitol hill. mike viqueira is there. so what? even if they reach a deal today or tomorrow? do we have time to get this dup? >> i think so, t.j. if they sign off from everybody in the senate. if everybody stands up, no & nobody objects. they call it unanimous consent around here. they can wave their hansory anything. badda bing, badda boom. it's out of here. you look at senate leaders on the floor, and yo
is -- for deficit reduction. and spend seg cuts off their shoulders, and make it inevitable, saying, you know what? it didn't just happen to them. they pass the sequester, which contained severe, rapid definite at this time reduction. it was almost inevitable, almost the moment they passed the sequester. >> to you, ryan, i was alluding to how both sides are saying different things. two members of the house said this last hour. we had one democrat and one republican. take a listen. >> i think there's still a chance to get something done. that's what happened in the budget deal, i think that's what will happen again. >> it seems like they could even say what will happen. at this point i'm going to side with pollsters saying it won't happen. boehner is at his weakest point ever. to push something through. doing that would weaken him even further. he still needs to be elected speaker on january 3rd. if you're boehner, you let this thing slide past january 3rd, getting yourself elected, and then do what you have to do. >> will he be stronger in. >> he won't be stronger. there will be about eight more d
has to be matched with real action, spending cuts and other ways to reduce the deficit, that is exactly the fight we are fashion. he doesn't want to have that. republicans are dying to get into that. >> reporter: do you think the president for political reasons wants to go over the cliff? barrasso said so. look, there are a bunch of others who think so. >> there are certainly some on the left who also, just like conservatives, there are some on the left that do. i don't think the president does. part of the reason, just like i don't believe john boehner actually does the house speaker. there is this group in the middle, first of all they are not sure where the political blame would lie. it could end up on them and they want want to have that happen. second of all these are deal mayors. they came to washington to get deals done. and they see the result, the goal as a deal to get past this rather than looking at the numbers. the folks on each side eve are looking at the numbers and they say the deficit would be in better shape and the economy in the long run is in better
, who are providing us also with the means to float the deficit. these are the people providing a lot of our financing. well, at some point if this goes on long enough, they begin to think, hold it. >> who's writing a lot of our financing? >> mainly foreign governments as well as markets. holding on to treasuries and the rest. so the question, then, at some point do they go, hold it. if these guys aren't serious, why am i depending upon them so much? and the scariest single scenario is ultimately people start saying before i continue to float the united states, i want to get a slightly higher return to take -- in order to -- because of this risk. because of this uncertainty. that is the day the spiral begins because that's the day mr. bernanke and his colleagues have to think about raising rates in order to attract the necessary financing. we don't want to get there. and what's so scary about this twofer of the cliff and the debt ceiling over the next two months, basically till the end of february, is for the rest of the world looking at us, we essentially have -- it's not so much nex
the road. you know as well as i do this does nothing to deal with the $1 trillion plus deficits we have yearly. this is the fifth year in a row, we're going to have $20 trillion worth of debt on top of $48 trillion worth a long-term liabilities by the time mr. obama leaves office. this is the time to deal with this issue. we've been kicking it down the road ten years. we promised the nation in 2011 under the budget deal with the sequesters we would not let this get away from us. we shouldn't this time. for mr. obama to suggest i've cut a trillion in spending because he saved money on the wars in afghanistan is gimmicks. they a work. >> i have to be honest, it's both sides. it strikes me these lawmakers on either side don't have a real fix to what we're looking at, the national debt, screaming out of control. we're going to exceed that limit on monday night. >> i wouldn't disagree but look at the facts. we did have a republican controlled congress that passed a bill. if reid didn't like the bill, let it go for debate. let his senate vote it down and say no, we're not going to accept thes
solution that gets at our deficit and reduce our debt everything has to be on the table and we'll deal with it. it's great to have rules. we just like to know what they are so we can make the right investments moving forward. >> even if it puts us in a climate of slow growth, even more slow growth than the economy which would be the kind of a climate where you as a ceo wouldn't want to invest in that anyway, you know what i mean? >> so i think a grand bargain won't create a slow economy. i think it will restore confidence and we'll all invest. we'll know what the rules are and the game plan is. weied be ready to move ahead. we have opportunities to grow all the way around the world. we need to know where to put our capital investment. if we know what the rules are, we'll invest. 60% to 65% of our costs are people and we put people back to work every day. >> you don't expect a grand bargain? >> no. >> meaning? >> a short-term fix and perhaps a recession. they talk about this bungee approach and i don't think that's helpful. let's take it away from american businesses and take it away fr
that for things to pass. really get this deficit under control. >> all right. so keith, that was a loud sigh that you just gave. >> you heard that? >> i think everybody at home just heard that. so you obviously do not agree with alice's assessment there. i want to show debbie wasserman-schultz's quote. no 48-notice on house votes just yet. the president has a lot to gain politically with the blame on republicans for letting all of the country go over the cliff and the fact that they seem to hold on with the death grip for millionaires in this country. >> the republicans will be blamed it seems according to the polls going over the fiscal cliff but the president is responsible and wants the deal. he's been trying to negotiate by making reasonable concessions. lowered the revenue number. he's increased the tax limit from $250,000 to $400,000. the guy made all kinds of concessions. the republicans refuse to do anything to come to the table with a concession. that's not how you negotiate. the problem isn't the democrats. it's from my perspective, not surprised i will say this, we have a dysfunct
on more economic growth and deficit reduction. you guys, i can hear you over there. i believe such a proposal could pass both houses with bipartisan majorities. as long as those leaders allow it, to actually come to a vote. if members of the house or the senate want to vote no, they can, but we should let everybody vote. >> i would actually really like to know who he was shushing there. but to his main point, here's what the president intends to do. senators reid and mcconnell will try to come to a deal. if they fail, the white house and harry reid are going to try to jam through a bill that increases taxes on rich people and extends unemployment insurance, which are the two key democratic priorities. they'll pretty much dare republicans to block it. and republicans probably won't be able to, at least not for long. here's johnny isaacson, a republican senator from georgia, over the weekend. >> if we get down to the end of this year, and the only choice we have is to save taxes going up on the middle class, then i would support that. >> last weekend, "the wall street journal" h
for the poor increases military spending? so it adds to the deficit and only is willing to raise taxes on millionaires and above and that is getting through the senate. so what you're saying the reverse is true when you look at the house. boehner can pass the senate bill tomorrow as harry reid said today, but he doesn't want to do it with democrats and he wants a majority of the majority. is there anything wrong? wouldn't you like a bipartisan coming together here and everybody's in this? >> it would not be at all, and any of the plans at all, joy. and they campaign on three to one spending on we haven't seen anything like that come out of the senate. and they will not do anything to come out of the senate. >> john boehner can't get his own caulk us to take a vote on his idea to only raise the tax rates. he can't even get his own caucus to do that and he's been humiliated over and over by his own caulk us and he can solve it tomorrow. >> joy ann, harry reid hasn't passed a budget in years. >> he's passed a solution to this crisis. we're talking about the fiscal cliff. >> it hasn't got
family would pay 2,000 to $4,000 more in taxes next year. but, if you're a deficit hawk, you might be happy with this news. the congressional budget office estimates that with all of these new tax revenues, plus those mandatory spending cuts kicking in january 1st, that would all cut the deficit in half next year to about $600 billion. kelly? kelly: we would go through this for about half a year. then there's a talk among some people, that we would actually rebound at the end of six months or so. but that is a lot of pain to go through. is there any idea of what could happen to the economy or stock market as a result of congressional inactivity? >> well, yeah. the cb. off and many private economists say that the $600 billion in fiscal tighting, as you say would push the economy into recession next year and send the unemmoment rate to back above 9%. a survey of investment managers found 60% of the them see a drop in the dow industrials of 10% or more if the cliff is not avoided. kelly? kelly: boy, that is very ominous. peter, thank you. hopefully something can be done. peter barnes.
and only talking about taxes which will do nothing to decrease the deficit. >> juliet: thank you for joining us and waking up at the bright and early hour of 6:10 a.m. >> clayton: thanks, curtis. let's check with maria molina, another snowstorm in ohio and east and some places in southern new england got up to a foot of snow. >> dave: and drivers be warned, five people hurt in new hampshire after a 20-car pileup and some airports saw slays and a plane taken off in sheing slid off the runway, and stuck in a snow bank, 6 6 on board. no one was hurt. >> juliet: for more on the conditions as mr. clayton morris said, maria molina. i was saddened not to see a white new years, pre-new years. >> we didn't see it accumulate in new york, in manhattan. outside, hoboken saw snow on the cars, but not on the ground or the streets, but place ins connecticut and massachusetts actually saw close to a foot of snow. i even sawmill ford, massachusetts over a foot of snow and some people did get lucky and needed snow across portions of we haven't is that much snow so far this winter. it's early in t
it to getting a deal, which included tax reform and deficit reduction. the talks fell aaparpaapart. >> how we get there god only knows. >> speaker boehner tried to pass an alternative bill that allowed tax rates to rise on those making a million dollars or more. >> they weren't taking that out on me. they were dealing with the perception that somebody might accuse them of raising taxes. >> reporter: before jetting off to hawaii, president obama was prepared to accept a smaller deal as long as it prevented taxes from going up on middle class americans and extended unemployment insurance. >> i expect democrats and republicans to get back to washington and have it pass both chambers, and i will immediately sign that legislation into law before january 1st of next year. >> reporter: but americans say the uncertainty in washington is casting a cloud over their holidays. >> they are responsible for the well-being of all americans, and right now they're more woern wored about politics. >> i would tell them to get off their butts, because most of us aren't making six-figure incomes and we need every
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